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Hinsty David
I can't pronounce Bacaruda Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.12.09 15:31:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote: So if I dec some one to get what seems to be a dead corp dead stick pos out, and then they run to Dec shield it is my fault?
I do agrree nemesis of Buzz lightyear accomplished his goal of getting mutual fixed. His new find may or may not work is now starting to push it. Given that as he can not talk about it, but from the time line it seems he explicity sought it out rather than going and finding it to be a natural part of the game. Sort of like how I can take down a pos without a personal war dec. Not that it works anymore due to the change in flags. Or does it, hmm need to go and test.
Your fault? Kinda? It's a busted system, and if you want to engage in war decs in a busted system, you have to know this could happen. There were and are ways to get around getting caught in that trap and still kill the tower, it's just easier to flat out dec them.
So I wouldn't exactly lay all the blame at your feet, but as Eve is fond of telling us, actions have consequences. And in a busted system, sometimes you get pulled in. Be glad it has been mostly fixed now and the worst (mutual trapping) is now gone for the most part. |

Hinsty David
I can't pronounce Bacaruda Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.12.09 15:36:00 -
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Mund Richard wrote:Isana Tori wrote:I do find it funny that all the people here complaining about him are forgetting one thing: they declared war on someone to get trapped. This was not a case of some poor defenseless carebear having Dec Shield run up on them. Yes, eve RvB went out of its way to dec someone else in a system they really should have known was bugged. Point there, true. Let's assume after a wardec declared on them, finding the agressors 1-man-corp OGB, they dec that? Agression, or evening the play field? How about if carebears wardec notorious canflippers/ninjasalvagers aiming at them when only a few are online? Agression or self-defence? Sometimes a war started before the dec, ignoring that is... ignorance. Then again, it can get to kindergarten levels really fast: "I did it because he did this" - "I only did this because he did that" - "That I did because this one time he..."
It is indeed a constant one up. When people war dec someone for ANY reasons, it's an escalation of the conflict. It's not really fair for one side to decide when the escalation is over.
One group decides to escalate by going to war, it's not unusual to suspect the other side will ratchet it up as well. If there was another step in the process (and there are) the first group would probably do that as well.
It was a "I'll call and raise" moment that the deccers didn't see coming and now want no part of but its too late. You can't back out of that hand now.
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Hinsty David
I can't pronounce Bacaruda Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:07:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:
So wait no war dec= no conflict as defined in the EULA (ignore emergent gameplay here) Thus what ever led to the need for war would go unpunished. Given that none of these defending corps have attempted to do things on their own, I would say they are using an exploit to gain an advantage now. If you were to tell me that the decced corp set it to mutual and then signed on all of nullsec through copious usage of alcahol and cash, I would say hazards of the game. But now that the corp is running away from the fight and then being told its not their fault and the other group was bullying issues arise. And saying well its a bugged system so you shouldnt use it is an example of ill thought (similar to blaming the Austrailian DJs for the nurses death when the international media declared her persona and everything else) Given that dec sheild was explicitly created to remove any threat to defenders by decoupling consequences of war from the actions precipitating I would say that it definitely should be shutdown now that its stated goal is over. Further continuance of its existence risks mission creep as it attempts to find ever more bizarre reasons to justify itself.
I think Zerg is looking to make sure there are no more exploits in the war dec system. If there is no way to trap people, then there is nothing for him to do. I'm not how he could continue or "justify itself" if the war dec bugs are gone.
If Dec Shield CAN continue with war dec mechanics issue, then it clearly isn't solved yet and the stated goal isn't over.
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Hinsty David
I can't pronounce Bacaruda Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:17:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:The stated goal was to get mutual wars to not be a flip switch walk off thing, and about wars carrying. Both of those have been fixed. He has a possible third one that is related but doesnt talk about it since he is in dialogue with CCP on it until the 12th. So if those clear any further existence is as mentioned mission creep.
I agree with you but again I ask. Even if he WANTED to continue this.... what could he do? If all avenues of war dec griefing are closed, what are his options?
If he has options to keep using Dec Shield, they obviously didn't fix everything? |

Hinsty David
I can't pronounce Bacaruda Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.12.10 03:30:00 -
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FnStrabo wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Quoted for the lulz
Spoken like a true troll of attention that you are.
You didn't have to come in here and bring up the story, so.... good job?
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Hinsty David
I can't pronounce Bacaruda Dec Shield
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Posted - 2012.12.13 15:37:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Art Gallery wrote:Who pays the bills? And why do I never see any WTs? Probably because you're in an NPC corp. They don't have wars. Ooh good point. That might just be her main. Also what will you do now that people no longer require proxies to deal with Dec Shield? Just dec all the corps anyways?
Sounds like someone gets all their info off this forum. |
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